Category: Letters to the Editor

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  • 03/11/10….Could we have handled the consultation better? asks councillor

    Dear Editor, I feel I must respond to recent letters which seem to question the integrity of the Thame Town council with regards to the Core Strategy in specific, but also with more general overtones.

    I am the newest Town Councillor, being elected in July 2008 and the last month has been the most challenging so far. I have never expected to get everything right or that decisions taken will be universally popular, but along with the other councillors, I do aim to serve our town as best I can.

    I just wanted to share my own thoughts and motivations over the last few weeks. They are open to criticism and interpretation but do reflect my own thinking. These can be crystallised in the four questions I have asked myself.

    Could we have handled this consultation process better? Yes, if we had not had unrealistic time constraints, not of our making. I felt that the crucial thing was that the Town Council engage the town and raise awareness as quickly as possible, and that the real crime would have been not to consult. To pull together such a process in such a short time does leave us open to criticism on style and presentation, which will have to be reflected on.

    However, I went into this process with an open mind, and think that the level of debate generated, particularly at the Town meeting was well balanced, considered and did the town credit. I felt my role was to listen and take those arguments into the meeting the following day. My conscience is clear that I discharged that responsibility.

    Was it right to include Site F in the consultation? Yes it was. The Town Councillors did feel that Site F did have merits, but also some down sides, but I am clear that my motivation in wanting this included was to ask the question as part of a consultation, not champion it. This option had been talked about in the town in much wider circles than the council, and not to have given it due consideration would have seemed negligent on our part.

    Has this process split the town? Yes, I have never heard so much spoken about ‘them’ and ‘us’ whether that is Site F or D or the town council. I am pleased that there is some common ground questioning the wisdom, content and conclusions of the core strategy and that is what we should unite around. My own personal reflection is to ask whether the town is so divided between the two sites that we have further diluted our voice with SODC. It is regrettable if this has happened and perhaps something to which we have all been guilty.

    What could we have done better? When the original timeline for the Core Strategy was scrapped in the summer, we should have perhaps been far more proactive in trying to draw up our alternative core strategy, which took account of infrastructure and the longer term needs of the town, with housing as being only one element. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but doing the above together with earlier engagement with local organisations may have helped.

    Any elected Public Body is open to scrutiny on how it conducts itself. In my view this should concentrate on the issues for which it is responsible. The making of personal comments about individuals will always lower the level of debate.

    I would encourage anyone with a heart after our town to consider standing for Thame Town Council. We are not perfect; we do not always agree but I am struck by a strong sense of the pride we all have in our town. This is, however, based on mutual respect for each other and our different opinions.

    Town Cllr, Cliff Baker

  • 02/10/11….Apology to the Mayor of Thame

    Dear Editor, Let me start by saying I owe the Mayor an apology in regard to his voting for the proposed Site F Pig Farm development. At the time of my last writing it had been reported that the Mayor had used his casting vote to seal the Council’s recommended favoured location.

    This I understand is not true and the Mayor only used his personal Councillor’s entitlement. However, if the Mayor had used the privileged extra vote then I would have still held the view previously expressed because, on the evidence of the “Straw Poll” and of my subjective assessment of the Public Meeting response to these proposals, public opinion favoured Site D as the lesser of two evils. I think 20 extra votes set against 205 represents a significant difference at about 9%, regardless of what one of your correspondents might think and of our different view of the audience reactions.

    Your readers will be aware that over the past month rumours and speculation have run rife over these issues which were not helped by some Councillors and, apparently the Town Clerk, overtly favouring Site F and giving the impression that this decision was a foregone conclusion. Indeed, Councillor Dyer confirmed as much at the Public Meeting, by way of his dissertation on the “finely balanced conclusion” (his words), as to how the Town Council had come to this view.

    It was, perhaps, not surprising that the Public Meeting ranged across the wider issues of whether the town should or could absorb an extra 530 new homes at either site, but this simply clouded the real issue at hand. It was my understanding the real issue for the meeting was that of the choices between Site D and Site F, which the South Oxfordshire District Council (SODC) had presented as the only alternative proposals to be considered, albeit they seem to have been encouraged by some interested parties to include Site F into SODC’s deliberations. It remains to be revealed who or what organisations were the interested parties promoting Site F and I applaud Robin Gibb and his family for instigating an investigation under the Freedom of Information Act.

    I now understand the Town Council meeting of last Tuesday 26th October mirrored in some way the Public Meeting, in so far as the Councillors strayed off the brief of the choices laid before them by the SODC and have thus petitioned the SODC to this extent, but still recommending Site F as the preferred choice of the Council as representative of the Thame residents. I somehow feel that the SODC will disregard these extra protestations and stick to their own agenda of nominating one of the two sites in question.

    This was made pretty clear by the Clerical Officer representative of SODC at the public meeting, a lady called Beryl “Something” and I apologise for not having caught her name at the meeting. The SODC’s position requires a site big enough to warrant them demanding a developer paying for a considerable amount of infrastructure like drains etc that smaller developments will not be bound to fund. Additional to this, apparently, the SODC stand to gain substantial sums of finance from central government in respect of new build properties achieved.

    Which brings me to another issue. In my view this Public Meeting had very little credibility No agenda or handout was available for the attendees giving details of the purpose of the meeting or who the Panel Members were. The only notice given was a screen displaying that recording of the meeting was forbidden. It is true that the Panel were introduced and each had a short time to address the assembled residents, but it did not seem that a public record was being made of the proceedings. Each Panel Member made their own notes and I now understand that minutes of the meeting are to be published, but from what source remains to be seen.

    Meanwhile, my criticism of the Town Council being a Cosy Cartel has stung some Councillors into lusty rebuke. It is a pity that some had not been so reticent during the “consultation” period as a little less biased view may have placated the protestors to some extent. However, from where I view the Council, which includes attending the Annual Meeting when our new Mayor was installed, it does look like a cosy group. While in attendance at that annual Town Meeting, no effort was made by any of the incumbent Councillors to welcome the audience or explain the proceedings. Indeed, they went about their business totally ignoring the audience until it was time to usher us out so they could continue with “private affairs.”

    Just to prove I was there I can report a slight ruffle of descent where one of the Councillors tried to raise an issue about the outgoing Mayor’s activities in visiting a European town and, maybe, inferring that a twinning proposal was envisaged. Also, it was amusing to see our current Mayor installed resplendent with his Chain of Office set off nicely by his lumberjack shirt and jeans to which one of the Members advised him that a clothing allowance was available to the Mayor. Now I don’t want to infer that the Mayor has taken advantage of this allowance, but the meeting did come across as cosy and each Councillor can, maybe, take turns at being Mayor, a sort of ‘Buggins’ arrangement.

    Of course I do appreciate the amount of voluntary effort our Town Councillors put in to running the everyday affairs of our Town and I am aware that our Mayor, in keeping with tradition, will be working hard supporting all sorts of good causes. I know that many hours are given by Councillors for meetings, reading papers and discussing matters with advisors. Most of this goes on with Joe Public taking it all for granted. The danger in this, dare I say overwork, is that members may find themselves, as it were, too close to the wood to see the trees.

    The fact remains that many residents felt disenfranchised from the earlier consultations that apparently took place in the Spread Eagle Hotel on 11th October and maybe discussions that lead to Councillor Angie Paterson (SODC) being associated with the Thame Today News website announcing on the 4th October: “This site (F) is being promoted by Thame Town Council and the Joint Residents Associations of Thame.”

    In this regard and bearing in mind the apparent lack of notation within the public meeting, I took the opportunity to make my own notes and conclusions available to the majority of our Town Councillors by the afternoon of Tuesday 26th October, in order that they may receive an alternative objective view of the Site D and Site F development proposals. I had during the previous couple of weeks walked and surveyed both sites and then compared Councillor Dyer’s presented arguments in favour of Site F.

    As an exercise I cast the eye of and applied the logic of an engineer and I am afraid the Councillor Dyer’s proposals just do not add up. I fail to comprehend the support Site F retains with the Council. In this effort I have taken apart the stated conclusions of the Council and forensically compared them with the alternative Site D. My conclusions run to about five pages and it is not my intention to write them out in this letter, but I am happy to provide them via my thamewatch@btconnect.com e-mail if any of your readers request them. I did spend a great deal of time on this matter, even if it only amounted to a fraction of the time our Councillors devote to public service.

    What I would stress is that like the Mayor in respect of Site D, a development of Site F will not impinge upon my sensibilities any more than Site D, but that Site F just does not make sense. My understanding is that the flood risks to my home will be no greater or less if either of these sites are eventually chosen. (This is especially if we believe the utterances of Beryl at the Public Meeting regarding the responsibilities of the developers in respect of standards laid down by the Government’s Environment Agency.)

    My concerns are that these development proposals result in a balanced community of new residents, no matter how many new homes are agreed upon in the end. Each Town Councillor with an email address received a copy of my notes and conclusions and they must have realised it was not a five minute exercise. None of them writing in your columns acknowledged any part of my reasoning, or countered any of the issues I raised including the conduct of the public meeting.
    Some of us as newer residents in Thame are aware the prospect of our homes being built in the defunct grounds of the Rycotewood College raised a similar amount of controversy, as many incumbent residents objected to this development. Well, we are here now and we paid “through the nose” to share the amenities and living style of an apparently unspoiled market town. Unfortunately, most of us have not been here long enough to have had the chance of selecting our Town Councillors, so it would have been nice to have been appraised earlier about what was in prospect and not overlooked as part of the community.

    Furthermore, I recognise Thame will have to expand and new residents should be made welcome as time goes by. By how much and how fast may well be dictated by many factors, but to make a wrong decision about the location for such expansion may impact upon the town in ways not conducive to the common good. In my view to stick newcomers out on the edge of town is liken to existing residents saying we don’t want you here, so you live out of the way from us. Read my conclusions if you want to know more, but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    Finally, regarding facetious suggestions that I might like to stand as a prospective Councillor at the next elections, this may be a possibility but, as the present Councillors know, one requires the support of fellow residents even to get off first base and this is generally what political parties provide. In any event, even if I were privileged enough to join the ranks of the Town Councillors, I guess I would end up being “Billy No Mates” judging from the invective directed to me in your correspondence column. It seems some of our cosy Councillors are unable to understand others point of view, preferring to believe they know what’s best for the rest of us. It reminds me of big fish in small ponds.

    Meanwhile, bravo to the six dissenting Town Councillors. It must have been pretty hard to go against others after such a blatantly biased publicity campaign orchestrated by those mentioned above.

    Yours sincerely
    Raymond W L Powell
    Union Way
    01 November, 20120

  • 02/11/10…..Applicant for coffee street trading consent unhappy with council

    DEAR EDITOR, I have sent the following letter to Thame Town Council regarding their comments and objections to the Coffee King application for a street trading licence:

    Dear Sirs, Regarding the notes of the minutes of your meeting on the 26th October, 2010 that you see fit to publish on your web site. For such a body to have made the comments like you have and to have published them on their web-site seems somewhat reckless. It?s certainly wrong for a Council to be able to make such a statements (and publicise it) without it first being proven to be factually correct!

    I would also like to address the comments you made.

    ?Members unanimously agreed that there was absolutely no requirement for a mobile ?Coffee King? facility, noting that there were more than enough coffee-selling establishments in the town, including take-away?

    How do you know? Has the council tested the market? If so can I please have copies of their market research to substantiate your comments? I would also say that in making the comments you have acted outside your protocols for deliberating on such matters.

    Can I also ask the council to justify these comments in light of their previous discussions with me since May 2009 when the town council approached me concerning the provision of a coffee stall in the Town Hall including outside seating? The correspondence consisted of several emails, two meeting and even a concept proposals being drawn up for;

    A; External Kiosk upon Terrace

    B: Front Lobby Kiosk & Terrace

    C: Reception area Kiosk & Terrace

    As you can see your comments have just a hint of hypocrisy about them.

    I find your decision and the reasons for it show a complete lack of vision and against the spirit of a market town. You seem on the face of things to be responding to the objection of a shop keeper who is simply frightened by competition.

    I would also point out to the council that street trading licenses are renewed on an annual basis and therefore, the need and viability of the Coffee King operation can be tested and reviewed during the initial year and the operation refined if need be on an ongoing basis. It also seems to me incumbent on any Town Council to champion free enterprise that contributes to sustainability and vitality in its commerce.

    I look forward to receiving your reply.

    Yours faithfully
    Peter Butler
    CEO

    cc;
    Thame news.net
    Thame Gazette

  • 30/10/10….Letter to the Editor from the Mayor of Thame

    Dear Editor, I am writing to respond to the letter from Raymond W l Powell concerning ?the last nail in the town councils coffin.?
    As you know I am a great admirer of your website and the service you provide to the residents of Thame but I do have to take issue on this point.
    How does a letter from a resident constitute headline news?
    I look at your website most days and never have I seen a letter to the editor under any other heading than ?letters to the editor?. I know from your facebook postings you are heavily in favour of option D (Which of course you are entitled to your opinion) but I feel your personal views are creeping into your independent reporting.
    Although I am not in the habit of conducting an argument through the press I do need to respond to Mr. Powell?s claims, so can I make the following points.
    .In the first consultation carried out by SODC the most favoured site was site F and the least favoured was site D. FACT
    .I didn?t have the casting vote in the Council meeting on Tuesday 26th of November. Out of 16 Councillors, 1 was on holiday, 2 SODC councilors had to abstain ( Otherwise they wouldn?t be able to vote in the SODC vote in November) and then it was 7 in favour of site F and 6 for site D. It just so happened that I was last to vote as chairman so all eyes were on me. It was not a casting vote it was what we call democracy! FACT
    . Mr. Powell mentions in his letter a couple of times that it was a ?Questionable straw poll? then highlights the fact that he thought that significant evidence of preference for site D.
    I would hardly call 225 for D and 205 for F as Significant difference in opinion and I would question the fact that he thought the majority of residents opinions were more in favour of site D at the public meeting.
    But as I said at the start of the public meeting (If Mr. Powell had been listening) we all have opinions on which site would be best, if indeed we DO have to accept 530 houses in Thame, but we need to accept that we all have opinions and we need to ?agree to disagree? and respect each other?s views
    I also take issue with Mr. Powells point that there was no Town Council Officer to record the minutes, there was and the minutes will be available to the public from Tuesday 2nd November. FACT
    At the End of the Public meeting I announced that all comments and emails that the Town Council had received would be forwarded to SODC as part of the consultation and indeed the 2 SODC representatives along side me were busy taking notes as the public meeting went on. How do you sum up a public meeting when so many different views were expressed? Maybe Mr. Powell can advise an amateur.
    Maybe Mr. Powell will be heartened if SODC decide to build on Site D. ?Out of ?Site?, Out of Mind?
    Lastly I come to the subject that has hurt me most.
    I live at 33 Morton Lane. If houses were built on option D it would have no affect on my life.
    I wouldn?t be able to see the houses, I wouldn?t suffer from traffic, I wouldn?t suffer from flooding, I wouldn?t lose my view, and I wouldn?t lie awake at night worrying that the ?new? residents would cause a problem! So how Mr. Powell can accuse me of ?a whiff of self interest? is (to put it in his own word?s) beyond belief! As a long standing resident of Thame, when I consider what is in the best interests of ALL the inhabitants of this beautiful town I think of the big picture NOT MY BACKYARD.
    I hope Mr. Raymond W L Powell from Union Way (Next to site F) can say the same thing!
    P.S Mr. Powell, instead of mudslinging from the sidelines is very welcome to stand in the local elections next May so he can ?influence? the Future of Thame.
    Good Luck
    Adam Buckland ( Mayor of Thame)

    EDITOR’S REPLY

    I think I have answered your query about why I have started to put the letters on the front page

    HERE

    I DO think this issue has now become the main news subject and I will continue to publish the responses on the front page for the reasons stated.

  • 30/10/10…Appreciation for the town council – Letter to the Editor

    Dear Editor, We are very lucky to have our Town Council. I moved here from London nine years ago, where I had witnessed in my area how sorely that truly local representation was missed, following the amalgamation of my urban district council, together with many neighbouring councils, into a Greater London Borough.

    Norman Brand
    Fanshawe Road

  • 31/10/10….When does a Letter to the Editor become front page news?

    Dear Editor, The controversy over future housing for Thame is distressing for everyone. I find it difficult to offer an opinion on the alternative sites currently being discussed. I?m also aware, for example, that the house I live in (at Fanshawe Road) was built on what was once someone else?s view.

    However, as your site states: ?TNN aims to create and sustain a genuinely Thame- focused news website which all users can truly be a part of …?

    On October 29 you headlined a story: 29/10/10……’Last nail in the town council’s coffin’ says Thame resident – 29 October 2010 .

    In this case the resident who criticised the council was not (repeat not) Robin Gibb (see the current Thame Gazette front page headline) but Mr Raymond Powell of Union Way, who, like Mr Gibb, of the Prebendal, opposes the building of housing on the pig farm.

    There is some controversy, it seems, as to whether a letter to the editor can be regarded as news. I write as a retired Press Association hack – and debate as to what is and what is not news has gone on as long as I can remember.

    However, your mission statement (if I may call it that) declares that your service is for all its users. It is your judgment alone as to what is news. Mr Powell?s comments were relevant, interesting and probably representative of his neighbourhood – and your headline served to convey the fact that you were introducing the piece as a news item.

    To be strictly objective, in a newspaper format there would probably have been a paragraph or two about Mr Powell on the front page, with a reference to the Letters page. In your format, and according to its own constraints, you compressed the process into one. But the headline was clear. You dealt with the piece as news. As indeed it was.

    Without entering into the planning controversy I would say that I sympathise with the mayor in his rebuttal of the tone of some of Mr Powell?s remarks ? and also with Councillor Buckland?s tribute to the service your site does to our town.

    Norman Brand

  • 30/10/10….Councillor responds to ‘unsubstantiated and defamatory accusations’

    Dear Editor, What a shame that Mr Raymond Powell felt it necessary to lower the whole tone of the debate to the lowest common denominator by casting wild, unsubstantiated and defamatory accusations at those who happen to disagree with his viewpoint.

    He has claimed that the split vote in Council this week contradicts the earlier position of the Council in favouring site F, instead of recognising that the consultation process had mellowed the views of some Councillors in the meantime. He has impugned the professional neutrality of the Town Clerk. He accuses the Mayor of ?hammering the last nail in the credibility of the Town Council? and of acting out of self interest, and he calls the Town Council a ?cosy cartel? employing ?pseudo officials?. I seem to remember an old saying that ?name calling is the last refuge of someone who has run out of arguments? !

    Of course there are a wide range of different opinions on such an emotive subject, and Mr Powell is entitled to his, so why does he seek to undermine all those who happen to disagree with him and indulge in taking cheap shots at those who work hard, day in day out, for the community in which they live. To question the personal integrity of Councillors and the Mayor, most of whom I am sure he has never met and knows little about, is beyond contempt, and to suggest that the Council is somehow biased, incompetent or derelict in its duty by not supporting his views simply demonstrates that he has run out of intelligent points to contribute to the debate.

    Despite the fact that he clearly has no respect for local democracy Thame Town Council will continue to represent the interests of Mr Powell, and indeed everyone else in Thame, in robustly challenging SODC on their methodology, the numbers, the short consultation period, and the one site allocation. If, and only if, we lose all of those arguments and it comes down to a case of site D ?vs- F, the Council has indicated its marginal preference (7-6 vote) for site F, which ultimately will be decided by SODC anyway.

    I guess I am stating the obvious in pointing out that Mr Powell himself lives at the edge of site F and, in fact, in one of the houses built during the most recent new development in Thame, so it is no great feat to understand where his interest lies.

    I would challenge Mr Powell to put in his own nomination to stand for the Town Council elections next May, and play an active part in determining the future of Thame, but I doubt that he would relish the time and commitment required, nor engage with matters that don?t affect him directly. I doubt that I will win his vote, but neither do I want it.

    Mike Dyer (Town Councillor)

  • 30/10/10…..Allegations ‘unfounded’ says town councillor

    DEAR EDITOR, I would like to address Raymond Powell?s completely unfounded allegations against the Town Council and the Mayor.

    Firstly, Thame Town Council has not voted to ?support? development on site F. The District Council have taken the view that Thame should have a large new housing estate on the outskirts of town ? the Town Council strongly disagrees with this view. However, if the District Council decides, against all the evidence and weight of public opinion, to go ahead with a new housing estate, then the Town Council vote was that site F would be marginally less awful than Site D, but that the original site C favoured by the public consultation two years ago is still the ?least-worst? option. To twist this into an allegation that the Mayor or the Town Council support site F is playing with words.

    Secondly, Mr Powell?s allegation that the Town Council is a cosy cartel. Any member of the public can attend the Town Council meetings and speak at the meetings. All meeting dates are announced publicly in advance. The agenda of each meeting is published in advance and Councillors cannot add items to the agenda after publication. The minutes of each meeting are made available publicly. The sixteen Councillors are from all parts of Thame and there are Conservative, Lib Dem, Independent and Labour Councillors.

    Thirdly, Mr Powell?s statement that the public meeting was more opposed to site F than other sites. I was at the meeting, which was organised by the Town Council, and listened to every contribution. None of the independent news reports on the public meeting agree with Mr Powell?s statement. Opinion was pretty evenly balanced, as is the feedback given following the meeting.

    Finally, I accept and support that people will have very strong opinions However, that is not an excuse to make unfounded allegations against Town Councillors or any resident of Thame. Town Councillors should represent the views and interests of the whole town, not just those who hold a specific point of view or shout the loudest.

    Cllr Pieter-Paul Barker
    North Ward, Thame Town Council

  • 29/10/10……’Last nail in the town council’s coffin’ says Thame resident

    DEAR EDITOR, It seems the Mayor of Thame has hammered in the last nail in the Thame Town Council’s coffin of credibility in regard to his deciding vote, taken in respect to the Council’s claim to support a major housing development at the Pig Farm location bounded by the Oxford Road and the A418 by-pass (known as Site F).

    Throughout the whole of October the Town Council has been represented by certain Councillors and the Town Clerk as favouring Site F for development, as against the earlier accepted site known a Site D, on the other side of the Phoenix Trail. Apparently, this earlier claim was far from the truth, as at a special meeting on Tuesday of this week, the attending Town Councillors were evenly split over the matter and the Mayor cast his deciding vote in favour of recommending Site F to the South Oxfordshire District Council, where the real decision making authority lays.

    How the Mayor can justify his position on making his vote in favour of Site F defies belief. During the month prior to the meeting, the Town Council launched a consultation process including a market stall a week last Tuesday, an exhibition within the Town Hall, a special cover edition of the Thame Gazette and a Public Meeting at St Mary?s Church last Monday evening to explain and gather resident opinion, plus a rather questionable “Straw Poll” ballot in which residents could volunteer to participate and show a preference for either Site D or site F.

    All of this consultation process has been heavily propagandised by various ?pseudo? council officials as already being a “Done Deal” in favour of Site F and the consultation was used as a way of gaining further consolidation of their views from the public.

    In the event, it was quite plain at the very well attended public meeting held in St Mary’s Church (the place was packed to the rafters) that residential opinion erred well on the side of opposition to Site F. Of course the Mayor and members of the platform chose not to make a summary of the audience input, nor give the attendees any indication of the influence they might have gained by attending the meeting. There was absolutely no summing up at the end of the meeting and no Town Council officer recorded any minutes of the meeting. Meanwhile, the public audience was banned from recording the meeting themselves.

    The, questionable, “Straw Poll ballot” has also revealed a significant vote in favour of recommending Site D, rather than the pig farm Site F. I understand that the votes favouring Site D amounted to 225, whereas the votes cast for Site F only reached 205 at the time of the Council meeting on Tuesday evening.

    I now question how the Mayor and leader of this cosy cartel of Councillors, given this significant evidence of preference from those residents sufficiently moved to make the effort of voting and/or attending public meetings, can go against them and cast a deciding vote in Council against them and in favour of Site F. One might be inclined to suspect a strong whiff of self-interest when one realises that the Mayor?s own home lays very close to the, otherwise, preferred site D.

    I am sure that the South Oxfordshire District Council are aware of the shenanigans perpetrated by members of the Thame Town Council over the past month or two and will take due account of their discredited presentation.

    Raymond W L Powell
    Union Way
    Thame

    PHOTO: A packed St Mary’s church at the recent Core Strategy public meeting.

  • 23/10/10…..Dear Editor…..

    Dear Editor, Ref. Mr Powell?s letter dated 18/10/10.
    Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with 99% of his letter, I state again that Mike Dyer did write in his letter to Thamenews.net on 14/10/10 (see para. 5),
    ?Site D (favoured by SODC), and site F (favoured by the Town Council).?
    Liz Wiles